I stopped really liking the coursework last semester and felt that I really did not have a passion for it but being Indian, I didn’t want to disappoint my parents and I was doing decently, so I kept going. At the end of the article, there are links to the one and two years update. All 6 were divorced by their spouses and still had to pay child support. Thanks for your input. Lots of people change career, find a different job, and do other things with their life. When I had the right manager who know what I could do, it was fine. A real moron, who’s only goal was to work there for a year so he could collect his $200,000 retainer. Good luck with changing your career. Then, when you’re looking for another job, prospective employers see your work history and think you can’t hold a job because you’re not lucky enough to have found a steady job. After graduation I was employed as a Mechanical Engineer in the Oil and Gas industry but got thrown straight into project management. Seeing how my high school friends who have done finance , law, or even just opened a restaurant have much better social network , happier and most of them have more money than me. I still love engineering things, but I have hated actually working as an engineer for at least the past 12 years. It is scary to leave $100k+ job and start from scratch……. https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2011/03/9510/new-ucsf-robotic-pharmacy-aims-improve-patient-safety. Got tired of working in the downtown area of our metropolis and my wrists were starting to hurt from the constant clicking of the mouse, so I moved to a small town and went to work for the road design branch of my state’s DOT. I log in almost every day to check on our accounts. You can always go back to work in a corporation if needed. Thanks for reading and any comment would be greatly appreciated. But I get told and scared by the people that how can you leave such a good amount of money that you are getting at the end of each month. What is Structural Engineering? As I said, I’m terrible at managing people. Being a structural engineer is no walk in the park or a piece of cake; one must be diligent and hardworking to master this field. I worked with the Memory subsystem for 16 years. You probably need to just hang on for a few years. Right now, iam looking forward for more challenges and lessons to come. Step 2: If you pass the exam, work as an engineer-in-training or engineer intern to get four years of work experience, as required for full licensure. . I was too laid back and I hated telling people what to do. I feel guilty for my ongoing lack of engagement. I was offered severance or a position back in engineering. From what I understand, there are still a lot of jobs for ECE and CS engineers. You can always quit if it didn’t work out. Engineering is for me. Anyways I just scrolled past the comments so sorry if I re-ask a question but I was wondering if your could’ve redone your education and major in something different what would it be. It’s great that you are planning for the future. But I am breathing.there are a lot of sociopathic people working in engineering. Fortunately, it worked out even better than I imagined. Joy. It sounds like you are doing pretty well in your leadership role. I’m pretty sure there’s something which could match your background. It’s more difficult in hardware engineering because it’s more specialized. If you like the leadership role, then that’s great. I got a job right out of college with Intel, a great tech company. My 2nd company, got bought and I dont want to relocate. I hope you don’t take this as an attack, because it’s really not. You can get a Computer Science degree and take all the PT requirement classes too. After 1 semester and after I have save my money. If our cash fund dip below $25,000, then I might consider taking up a part time job. Computers will keep improving with or without me. Studying Industrial Engineering is flexible - you can pursue a more technical or a more management-oriented path, customising your approach to Industrial Engineering. I’m so happy I am free now and I do what I want, when I want because they don’t deserve another minute of my time. Again – you’ve got to really have the desire to do this kind of thing in order to make it work. I have strong speaking skills and would be more than happy if my whole day were to be filled with meetings, presentations, etc. I just never really thought of anything much to do after figured out which discipline of civil engineering I wanted to pursue in. Get out while you still can & its not really too late…lyk what u said…its what youll be doing for the rest of your life..you wouldnt want to be doing something you didnt like n the first place.. After 15 years in engineering I’ve learned to drop the stress completely out of my job. ), Many of my friends left the company or were laid off. hey joe. When you’re an outlier in terms of productivity, which most engineers are, your pay will get dragged down closer to the mean unless you go your own way. Hi! This leaves an unsatisfied, unfulfilled worker and a company with less profit-in other words it sucks for everyone involved. I charge only a little less than big management heavy firms, but have no management overhead. Anyway, I tried to learn more about computers at every opportunity. Been in software engineering field for 12 years and looking forward to financial freedom. Work life out of college is not what they said it would be, I have no mentor, no goals, no achievements that I want to strive for, simply because I do not know how to acquire them. I think you might have! Master Structural Engineering. I would encourage you to seek out internships or research opportunities that can demonstrate the real-world applications of your engineering curriculum. Difference though : I miss my talents working for the rest fro the world. I was a software engineer, now a manager. On top of that, I have been networking via LinkedIn and I’ve gotten interview offers from companies across the USA and Canada. My fear is growing complacent and wasting 10 more years only to wake up one day and be let go because they’ve hired an inexperienced college grad to replace me, which is how I got this job anyway…. I know you are loving the time you are spending at home raising the toddler, but any thought to getting an intro job for 2-3 days a week? I am unsure of what to do, whether I should keep sticking it out with the classes and power through in hopes to get a job/internship in engineering that I’m not even sure I would enjoy or drop out for the semester and recompose myself and change my major. We may receive a referral fee if you sign up through the links on Retire By 40. Entry-level at a good organization, they give you tasks and you do them. This whole gig based engineering thing aerospace is killing the industry. Thanks for the advice, I’ll see what I can find. I got as few of those early on, and was the only engineer out of 30 in my unit two years in a row to get it…but just a year later, doing the same work, my new manager (who was hired a few years earlier to code the software for a fantastic whitepaper I wrote, which won us new work) gave me ZERO! Hopefully working for the gov’t will be lower stress and have better morale…just need to get through the next few tough fiscal years. and after a fantastic and profitable year, the gave the 5% back and called it your “raise”. I wasn’t sad when they laid me off and gave me a severance. Clients, including now two Fortune 500 companies, love it because they can buy the creativity from my office which has been strangled by their in house MBA’s. Ultimately, I miss working with people. Business in general has found that they can take advantage of IT workers and I won’t be a part of that. So even though I was able to get the technical stuff done, I was penalized because I wasn’t the most extroverted or well connected person during focal. I love lots of aspects of engineering and try to learn new fields and have gotten jobs in the different niches in the phases of my career. I fee exactly as you did. I’m sure you made the right choice for you, though. I know engineering is very applicable in getting many different jobs in the real world, but my main fear is that these other majors I have mentioned don’t have as much applicability or opportunities in the job market. That’s hard, though. He set me up with a Defender like game and I was hooked. It’s great that you successful in your field. I definitely wouldn’t make it as an engineer. ), What I am good at and interested in is logical thinking–psychology/sociology and English. Eventually, I figured I’d better try something else. At that time I don’t want to go to college, why?, What’s the point of having your dreams to pursue when you don’t have the reason why you’re pursuing it? I agree with you 100%. that require you to learn new things every single day. Just curious. It is true! Probably not, its very inflexible and very demanding on your time that is not adequately compensated for. I just left Intel after 17 years as a design engineer. Despite all the automation (think IBM Watson/Deep Mind) in areas like radiology or pathology, someone needs to interface with the patient, on a one-on-one, day-to-day basis. If you plan correctly, you may be able to find govt work in the FAA, State Public Works, DoT, etc, where in effect, you can survive till near retirement age and work 35-40 hours per week. The upperclassmen can easily concur to this: the best kind of engineering freshman is one who is keeping it cool. * Companies not hiring IT personnel and using contractors for their IT work. I didn’t get a recommendation letter from my old boss because I’m not planning to go back to engineering. Does the problem lie in this particular CSE field? The manager indicated to me that he believed he made a mistake hiring me as he felt my experience level was inadequate for the workload and his expectations (he said he should’ve asked more detailed design questions in the interview. I quit for different reasons. Right now I am so much more of a counselor at work than an engineering manager. I received my MSEE in 1999 and by this time few companies would even pay partial tuition reimbursement. I have zero interest in computers, hated programming, but was pretty decent at math. That’s a tough situation to be in. I guess I should have held out for a vsp, but I couldn’t stand going into the office anymore. . But at least I took courage and I know it’s gonna be worth it. I now study pharmacy and it gives me a social life, and I love video games more than before as well as TV-shows and movies. Also, lots of people successfully made the transition from engineering to marketing, managing, training, or other peripheral jobs. It might lose its luster at some point, but I’m enjoying it right now. You’ll have to be creative to do something else. Hi, it’s Randy again with more anti-corporate America stuff. Thanks for visiting! Granted, it doesn’t pay as much as I made as a technical lead, but I can afford to take the pay cut. It has it’s challenging days, but I can count on my fingers the companies in the world where I an do what I do. Now, I still struggle to find my post in engineering, I suck at electronics, my telecommunications are getting unfamiliar, I find it hard to shift to IT industry. i’ve seen many engineers quit the past 2 years and a bunch in their 50’s get let go. David work at the Amazon fulfillment center around Christmas as I understand. Our finance is holding steady so I don’t think I’ll need to do that anytime soon. Be prepared to make that gear shift, or else somebody will do it for you when you’re not prepared…. Locally, several energy (utility) companies have been hiring entry level engineers with my range of experience. Just like Steve Jobs said always a great reminder to me he said “If you haven’t founded yet, keep looking and don’t settle, have the courage to follow your heart and intuition. If I’m 65 and in this same situation, you probably wouldn’t think twice about the whole retirement thing. He loves the work but hates the stress. (Yes suffered, I hated almost every minute of it) Worked at a firm through college, then a contractor afterwards. I would go for Oceanography! @Michael – Well done, sir. You were exceptionally lucky to never have been forced into involuntary overtime. See how things are going and offer support or resources as appropriate.” =====. Too. The career was long, I made it to Sergeant Major, and I would not have traded a minute of it for anything in the world. Structural engineering is one of the most fundamental engineering disciplines because it deals directly with the structural integrity and strength of a building or structure. Some of these big corporations really sucks the life out of you. A junior engineer is billed out at about $75-$125 per hour. Most companies expect senior personnel to engage in quasi-managerial activities to some extent, but Intel codifies this explicitly in upper grade level expectations at a high level (although this usually isn’t obvious to outsiders based upon published job descriptions). What is your opinion on taking a position now, before completing the degree, and finishing it as my schedule allows? The stress is unfortunate but the company has to make money for the executives and shareholders. John. I think big corporations are the bigger issue, controlled by millionaire board members driven by the almighty dollar, and they make EVERYONE’S life miserable. As a pharmacist I can tell you your work experiences are very relatable. For me I’d rather die than continue doing the mind numbing work I do now, sitting at a computer for 8 hours and being in 20-25 meetings and conference calls a week is not for me and never will be. Sitting at a desk from 8-5, and an occasional unpaid weekend (benefits of salary exempt) are no longer appealing to me. Some people seems to do very well as an engineer. When buying or selling property, the costs can really add up. Why? Engineers should enjoy their studies. I was also thinking about getting an MBA a little down the road, but I’ve heard the value of those is decreasing. Manette @ Barbara Friedberg Personal Finance, Travel Hacking 2019: Chiang Mai, Hanoi, and Narita, Engineers need to plan for early retirement, *Sign up for a free account at Personal Capital, Sign up for a free account at CrowdStreet, Why engineers should plan for an early retirement, SAHD Cooking – Thai Garlic Pepper Shrimps, https://www.ted.com/talks/mark_applebaum_the_mad_scientist_of_music/discussion. I’m 32 in August and have a net worth that just breached 7 figures. They don’t care about you. That puts them at #2 among the top 100 companies to work for (at least among those that report #’s), http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/best-companies/2012/turnover/. If you like the technical side, it seems your career will be a short one. Engineering?! Joe, it sounds like pure burnout on your end, and I’m sure the engineering community is poorer without you around. I changed job internally a few times too. I've worked in … My husband has been an engineer since graduating in 1991. I got physics and chemistry classes in my first semester. I’m also ECE. Intel is one of the better company in the industry from what I understand. You will now notice some new faces, as you will have a new manager installed between you and your current manager, the negative changes to your benefits package, stagnant wage, even more meetings and reports to make sure your doing your job, as if the last reports and meetings weren’t enough to justify your position. Just go for it, keep going , finish what you started even If you don’t like Engineering always remind yourself you came to far now why quit? Why did I make such a drastic change? 10 – How much does it cost to have an inspection done by a structural engineer? They end up in management positions over time. Health care is the most solid hiring sectors in the economy and I suspect … the PA’s role is possibly the most important one long term. At this point, management will lie to your face and say that nothing will be changing and it will help the company progress to the goals they are trying to attain. I have used that skill until now. While my current gig is okay it has me thinking about what to do in the long term. Good luck! You will have invested so much time in it that it will be extremely difficult to change course. With the accountants running the companies and the quarterly profit the top priority, engineering is just a necessary evil to top management. I don’t feel appreciated at work and frankly I am kind of sick having to do repetitive debug work. However, dreams change and often do so with major life events (e.g. My technical skills are outdated now. The good thing about engineering is that the income is good right from the start. That said, maybe after your fatherhood-sabbatical, you can find your second-wind and find something else that works for you. I know it’s tough. That’s all there is I hope I answered your questions because I’ve been there also man. My answer is no, and I’m just living with it. I suppose some engineers with a PE license might be able to hang out a shingle and go on their own, but for those of us with only corporate background, it seems one must go all out (if still having a job), ignoring family, or nothing. Like you said in the article, I can’t compete with the hungry single kid crushing those hours for peanuts. I find that many companies lose sight of what is important with employees and end up pushing them out the door. If you can get a position, I’d say go for it. In His perfect timing. When I was young, I thought the hours wasn’t that bad. And I have realized that I hate engineering and yet I am still in engineering school. However, I have met women who WERE in this position, left to raise kids while their husband took over, and people the word “retirement” never applied to them. I added the one year and two years after retirement links at the bottom of the article. It’s the stupidest way you can possibly generate income! At least you figure it out relatively early and you’re proactively trying to get out. So I how some ex engineers feel . You have to be flexible. I love hanging out with my 2 year-old daughter every morning. Computers fascinated me when I was young. This information may also need to be provided to Building Control in order to comply with Building Regulations or, depending on the scale of the renovation, to Planning Officials in order to obtain planning permission. My school offers a lot of resources but the one thing they all is an actual person from the field. I’ve been working 3 years as an engineer in computer hardware (servers) and see the writing on the wall. My actual salary after more than 3 years experience is around 30k$ before taxes thats makes around 18k$ after taxes. I got across your blog because after 1.5yrs of being retired I am contemplating on returning to the work force but don’t want an engineering career in the same industry. Keep trying different jobs, maybe you’ll find one that’s a good fit. The job was not meaningful to me anymore. When I Was 17 years old, stepping the college life, I don’t really know what I really want. He has had a few long stints, both about 12-14 years, each ending with a layoff… The last layoff was last October and he found another job at a start-up type foundry that was a spin-off of another larger company, but where all the systems had been mostly stripped-away. Let me explain. He asked me to write a detailed post on why I gave up my engineering career. No, punishments are always global while promotions and rewards are on personal level. That’s the doctor’s role in the delivery of health care and thus, given the sheer volume of expected diagnosis per day for the regular internal medicine physician, a good PA (technical plus communication skills) is worth a heck of a lot more to a clinic than a mediocre one. I think of quitting my job sometimes and take some time to actually decide what I really want to do. Think about it, a PA has nearly all the tasks of a general internal medicine (GP) doctor but w/o the rigged, overpay structure of the M.D. I owe a lot of what I have to them. It was time for me to move on anyway. I choose what projects to work on and let the market decide what my time is worth. I majored in Electrical Engineering at Purdue and worked for Intel as a Process Engineer for about 5 years. Once this occurs (and it doesn’t take long), the engineering career paths in those firms goes downhill fast. It’s been over 7 years since I quit my engineering career. Hello, this may come as a whine post, but this may also serve a purpose for those who still study it, and it'd also be interesting to hear why people love/hate their career in engineering. The discipline ‘chemical engineering’ is often used to describe a really broad area of engineering. 1. Surely, there are exceptions but in my pretty long experience all companies are same when it comes to handling people and competency. It’s interesting because I know guys who are mostly still technical after 30 years at the company. Civil is the most secure from what I see. Well, you gotta do what you gotta do. Any engineers out there that went into teaching or healthcare? The best thing for a young person to do today is to try for careers in health care and forget about technology because eventually, everyone ages and a person with a few white hairs, imparts trust/confidence, especially at a clinic. It’s a stressful time for us. This may be why almost everybody in a technical role gets laid off eventually, if they stay long enough; mall companies, big companies – it doesn’t matter. Interesting insight, thanks for sharing! What you have today is the humming of the drum of ‘STEM shortage’ because a certain percentage of programmers are earning $150K+ but yet, working 70-80 hours per week for that salary which is then really $35-$45/hour. Then I made many letters saying that I promise that i will pass all my subjects and I will never fail. Are you looking or will you stay where you are for now? After two years I quit. On the other hand I’m sure other people would hate my job and not get along as well with my management. It’s good to save and invest right from the start. And BTW, every physician assistant, working a 70 hour work week, can easily clear $150K. I think it’s tough to stay an individual contributor these days. I was already leaning towards not going to a grad school for now and I think I just needed assurance and make sure I’m aware of the consequences. I think you’re right about pharmacist. Those 15 chapters contain 11 reasons why I quit my engineering career. As such, I could hardly be called an SMS (Subject Matter Expert). I finally retired and I and a year later I still haven’t looked back. Having the least interest in sciences and getting science subjects that early, I knew that I was doomed to fail. Arizona also has many defense and non-defense jobs. Every boring meeting I attend I fantasize with retirement. Would like to add an update to my comment above. I’m a stay at home dad/blogger now and life is pretty darn good. I have been working too in an IT company for past 2 years 10 months..yes not long time as yours..but i had started to feel the shiver 1 year back itself. Graduated from a state univ summa, and started out with structures in 99. Matching skills and needs, in my opinion, is getting impossible. One of the engineers I worked with that stumbled into work late after drinking the night before has turned things around. When he goes off to preschool, I’ll definitely put more effort into self employment or perhaps a part time job. I took up chemical engineering not because it was forced on me, I took it up because they said its going to give me many opportunities after college, its a good course, blah, blah, blah and it’s cool to be called engr. Our goal is to retire by 45 years at least. Yes, there are bad teams, there are bad managers, and there are no doubt jobs where people feel trapped. :(.. I need a C+ to pass the course. Engineers who left the field still do just fine so there is life after engineering. I hate my engineering career, where do I go from here? Unfortunately, I couldn’t do it. He works for a small company, though. I was debating whether to choose computer engineering or computer science (hardware vs software). The last few semesters have been extremely challenging and found myself completely sick of the curriculum, subject matter and mental academic gymnastics. Just take this article to heart when planning your finances. I can completely understand why you are over it. Anyway, if you can get a C, then stick with it. Often a stuctural consult will require inspection of fire damage. LOL! When I asked my son why he switched he said, “I realized I would have to be an engineer.” I don’t know if this helps, but the engineering curriculum and it’s approach to critical thinking has certainly aided in his transition from Engineering to Finance. I performed well and liked coworkers in my 20’s (prior to management), but even then unfortunately in my case there still wasn’t enough technical challenge – when advisors say to take control of your career, they are not kidding. and just like in Gineersnow quoted “You’ve worked to hard to quit now”. I don’t think your experience is all too uncommon. Then I still shifted in Civil Engineering. The craze for programming and IT field seems to be gone now for me. Incidentally, Les wrote to me a few years later and he did okay. For those of you who don’t know, I hate engineering as a career, and I have no plan to return to the industry. One of my favorite blog posts ever is by one of my favorite bloggers. I’ve been at megacorp for 18 years and am now a manager. DEC closed our site in 1991 and I decided to finish college as a full time student, graduating in 1994 with a BSEE. User #612749 686 posts. Maybe you can enroll in more classes that are interesting to you. 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