While Vegeta will use a "brute-force" strategy to train, Goku will explore his power and the powers of others to understand his power on an innate level, which is why he tends to better master the Super Saiyan forms, It's also possible that they experience zenkai boosts differently, perhaps Goku always gets massive power boosts compared to Vegeta, tough to say, Goku is an idiot savant who spent a large portion of his life as an underdog, he always pushed himself. This also explains the muscular form "4.5" -- Frieza possessed the rather unique ability to shift his focus all along, and he was now all offense. Goku is more willing to explore types of strength that Vegeta will reject out of pride. Like Goku, his arduous training regimen has allowed him to transform into more powerful Super Saiyan forms, particularly his Super Saiyan Blue Evolved form. It's like Ask Science, but for all universes other than our own. Which explains why Goku became stronger than Vegeta so much faster. Whether or not Frieza is intentionally boasting, he can't possibly know his own numbers, though the Kaioken is probably more reliable since it works with specific multipliers. çYeah, I realized that was my mistake. Vegeta's attitude is what is holding him back. Much of the fighting in DBZ comes down to ki mastery, something that can be taught to an extent, but will always rely upon the individual. That means that at least one of King Vegeta’s children, the most unlikely one as well, is stronger than one of Bardock’s children. He said he was only using "a small fraction" of his power previously. But I just wanted to say that, while the original poster of this sub-section listed great reasons why Goku is stronger, in the end it only explains so much. The other issue that became apparent in the Cell saga is that Vegeta doesn't allow himself time to rest. So, there you have it. He loves Trunks and Bulma and is using that love and this "What if?" Vegeta is not stronger than Goku. It took, Krillin, Gohan, Gohan’s ape form and a slash from Yajirobe to beat Vegeta back then. he told Omega Shenron, after recieving the extra energy. Now, on to the part that matters: The fight with Omega Shenron. So while Vegeta probably is stronger in a purely physical fight, Goku's focus and mastery over his ki (which is often fueled by his righteousness and virtue), and especially his ability to maintain his ki despite getting massively beaten down, is why he'll always beat Vegeta in the long run, Goku is also more willing to reflect on himself. Piccolo holds his own against Android 20. Before encountering the earthlings, Vegeta didn't know how to sense ki or how to raise/lower his power level. This is something Goku, in his estimation of his own abilities, said maybe to, if he was Supersaiyan 3. New poster in this discussion. But it'd make more sense for blue vegeta to be stronger than blue goku since goku has other alternatives like kk and this new transformation . But with Babidi's control taking root in him, his inhibitions caused by his newfound morals are removed. Though I've read somewhere on this wiki that Babidi's control did in fact give him an increase in power, just not an overly drastic one such as being able to transform into a Super Saiyan 2. Gotenks is able to transform into a Super Saiyan 3. This could be one reason why Goku is stronger, most of the enemies after the saibamen fought one on one, or at most 2 versus 1. In Bog vegeta supasses goku by going enraged ssj2 doesnt this indicate that he is naturally stronger than goku? Babidi didn't give Vegeta any new powers as the SS2 was already reached by Vegeta. From there, it's easier to see how Vegeta would be considered "weaker" - he always conserves energy for the next enemy, while Goku goes all out every time; Vegeta has a Machine Gun, but Goku has a Rocket Launcher. Then, Frieza apparently changes his mind and deflects the attack instead. Nope, but it was damn satisfying though lol. The creators of the anime must have felt the same way, because their disdain for the character showed even in their added content and the completely original DBZ movies. Then they're taken into the Big Gete Star and have the life sucked out of them; they both even rebound by powering up and overloading the circuits. Ever since Vegeta lost on Earth against Goku and Co. Vegeta had been striving to be stronger than Goku, but never succeeded. We all know the story of Vegeta. Vegeta is motivated by an obsession. He believed Goku had surpassed him, and he even tried to become more like Goku in an attempt to rectify this. He didn't see results, he was no doubt frustrated, and Babidi gave him an excuse to act out. There is a difference, however, between turning a gnat into a fly, and turning a cat into a lion. On top of that, he trained for years with Gohan, Master Roshi, and later King Kai. He's exceptionally good at reading his opponent and coming up with countermeasures on the fly. He concentrated all of his energy on avoiding his opponent's attacks, engaged in psychological warfare, and only attacked when Vegeta's defenses were utterly obliterated. Could he have "done it right" as Gohan did? With Regard to Goku (Note: Episode 131, made it clear that Goku couldn't utilise his Mastered Ultra Instinct Transformation through will. Perhaps it wasn't just a matter of Vegeta attaining his transformations late, but Goku getting them early. That’s insane! So he'll probably beat Vegeta 8 times out of 10. And it is very well established that the two people fusing have to be about identical in powerlevel, which can be fine tuned only a little by one party reducing their energy. And thanks for the compliment about my post. First, he used a Spirit Bomb, and he needed all the energy the people of Earth could give. He was easily beating … Vegeta was constantly told he was the best, and he believed his own hype so much that he didn't take training as serious as he should have. I wonder how they separate themselves though? Only the enraged, Supersaiyan 2 Gohan (who "did it right" for the first time) was stronger than Perfect Cell. Vegeta, on the other hand, didn't develop an understanding of the concept of a Full Power Super Saiyan, so even though Vegeta spent another day (year) in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber, his power couldn't match Goku's. One great example that comes to mind is the Cooler Part II movie. While Vegeta arguably has the lead up until the Android Saga, Gohan is a tier above the Prince of Saiyans throughout the rest of Dragon Ball Z. We have also seen during the fight with Super 17 that it is implied Vegeta is the strongest of the Z warriors if Goku isn't around, but this should NOT be the case because Majuub is absolutely stronger than Vegeta at this point and he was beaten easily by Super 17 while Vegeta lasted a little bit longer, and Gohan couldn't even win against Metal Rildo, let alone Super 17. But, it's not just fighting that Vegeta is better at, he outmatches Goku in a lot of other categories. Does he have enough ammo left for Frieza? Press J to jump to the feed. I read somewhere that Akira Toriyama doesn't even like Vegeta, and that he only kept him alive and added as a recurring character due to fans. What that means is that Goku learned to get stronger by approaching masters and learning new techniques. The contention can certainly be held that Vegeta isn't, and never has been, weaker than Goku. But nope, the writers decide to write that Vegeta is too arrogant to just kill Cell at Imperfect Form. So while Vegeta probably is stronger in a purely physical fight, Goku's focus and mastery over his ki (which is often fueled by his righteousness and virtue), and especially his ability to maintain his ki despite getting massively beaten down, is why he'll always beat Vegeta in the long run Goku is also more willing to reflect on himself. Watch the episode. Piccolo actually looked like he would be able to defeat Frieza after fusing with Nail. Goku always trained for the World Martial Arts Tournament, and learned how to handle single combat encounters. That increased his power level by 300 times. Vegeta is also much more interesting as a character than Goku, his dynamic development and … Frieza always chose to suppress his true power, allow the opponent to believe they had a chance, and only increase his power when the opponent became a threat. He over-trains often. If Goku’s son continued to evolve and train, Gohan could have matured into the strongest Z fighter of all time. Ultimate Gohan wrecks Majin Vegeta without missing a beat. Meanwhile, Goku was able to train in under 100 times normal gravity (something Vegeta had no access to at the time). His obsession with becoming stronger than Goku over-shadowed his need to protect his family. He likes to toy with his prey. In Broly Part II, a similar thing happens where Goten and Trunks pass out, but only Goten gets up. This is because of true Saiyan pride, which, like a concept of honour, can easily put one at a disadvantage. He also gained a Zenkai after recovering from when Captain Ginyu stole his body. He's adapted to everything and everyone and thus, can beat them. In this form, Vegeta is arguably even more powerful than Goku when Goku powers up to his own Super Saiyan Blue … then vegeta trained him up to his level with whis, and then they seemed to be at a equal level. Frieza, yes. There's a case for a no. Is it just so the plot would be better or am i missing something? vegeta was probably surpassing him at the start of super, then goku got godki. However, there is more than pride at work here. Goku loves it when somebody is stronger than him for the sheer joy of the challenge. An exponential increase -- such as that granted from a new transformation -- has unfailingly tipped the scales in favour of even laughably weaker fighters. So here goes: Vegeta's stronger. he's childish and naive, but pretty much anything he actually cares about learning about he becomes an expert in. Frieza had the added advantage of having known Vegeta from a child. It's awesome. Now that he was no longer evil, Vegeta became inhibited by the fact that he needed to exercise control for the sake of others. Frieza played his ego like a xylophone. Why should he falter now, if not because he simply wasn't quite ready to take that form? Let's move on to Kid Buu, and the final battle. Idk if I agree, I think you may have it backwards. He knew what the Saiyans could bring, so he kept Vegeta, and he watched him, and he learned his weaknesses quite deliberately. This was after having fought Fat Buu as a Supersaiyan 3 (also with his higher-endurance afterlife-granted body), and although Goku may have intended for Buu to turn on Babidi, he's not the type to actually lie, therefore his complements to Fat Buu about being a good and challenging fighter were genuine. Indisputably, Goku was considerably weaker than Vegeta at this time, even with all his advantages. Conclusion: Vegeta was a serious threat, which Goku actually wasn't. I had a similar one in another fourm the only thing you're wrong about is Vegeta reaching SS2, he only let Babidi take control of him so that he could regain his evil nature and fight ruthlessly his power didn't change. But Vegeta, having the guns, would most likely waste an entire clip on a Raspberry. And then Goku being Goku comes in, thinks they need help and makes them out the potato earrings on. So you'd think in the Buu saga, Vegeta would have come around and cared for his family, right? When he first came to planet earth to find the Dragons Balls, he kicked Goku’s ass. Vegeta is literally stronger than goku right now. However, Vegeta is much better in fighting skills and attack creation. With access to Kaioken, the Spirit Bomb, and the powerful Kamehameha Wave, Vegeta's power was clearly superior. Perhaps, by saying he was only using a small fraction of his true power, he meant he was putting the rest into defense, which goes back to the previous point about turtling. He may have unlocked a higher form of SSJB or gained a substantial amount of power. But this is not the Saiyan way. We'll skip the fight between Baby Great Golden Oozaru Vegeta and Goku, because it's difficult to say how much of that was Baby, how much of it was Vegeta, how much of it was the added Saiyan energy, and how much of it was a bit of a cheat from Bulma's moon ray. But after the Copy Vegeta mini arc where he took out SS3 Gotenks in base, his base form doesn't seem all that powerful any more. While Vegeta wasn't a match for Frieza at this stage, the reason should be considered. In fact, Vegeta’s Super Saiyan forms are usually more powerful than Goku’s, but they are always developed after Goku's initial ascent. Now let us examine Goku, and the how and why he actually won. Vegeta and Gotenks don’t fight, but there would be no contest if they did. From all of the points mentioned above, we get a conclusion that Goku is stronger than Vegeta in terms of power boosts and transformations. Vegeta is obsessed with being the best, and suffers when he isn't, both Goku realizes the truth that there is no "best". That would make the fight a cakewalk for Gotenks. This may have provided a release Vegeta sorely needed to realise his own potential, but it was his own potential. Yamu and Spopovich were given far, far greater strength. Secondly, though Vegeta's extreme pride played a part in his ability to resist the mind control, the fact that the magic didn't fully work on him might have been a sign that he was too strong for it to really work in the first place. From all of the points mentioned above, we get a conclusion that Goku is stronger than Vegeta in terms of power boosts and transformations. By the time Frieza went on the offensive, his psychological warfare had taken full effect: Vegeta's pride was gone, he was questioning himself and his strength, and he was even crying. In combat. Or what about when Vegeta unveils his Super Vegeta transformation? It took, Krillin, Gohan, Gohan’s ape form and a slash from Yajirobe to beat Vegeta back then. The Mathemagician . Even at this time, when there is no longer evidence for it, Vegeta still believes Goku to be a step ahead. Here there is simply no data for comparison, except to say that Vegeta fought (and presumably gained power) while Goku lied in bed recovering. goku just gains some powerup that by luck keeps him ahead. It strains credibility that Goku would have gained more power than Vegeta from this endeavour. Makes sense I suppose. Despite this, he has no trouble keeping up with them. I would argue that even though Vegeta is far stronger in every way, that even Tien has way more skill in ki manipulation than Vegeta. Without a doubt, Vegeta is the strongest character in the Dragonball universe at this point. Vegeta is strong, and talented, but... too restricted. Vegeta trains at least 100 times harder and more often than Goku so why can Vegeta never surpass him for long? Every time we think it's going to change because of things like Future Trunks coming and killing Freiza and King Cold, it just goes back to course. The case will be made here that Babidi did not give Vegeta much, if anything. Sure, Goku got to certain warrior milestones before Vegeta did, but Vegeta still got there eventually, polishing his battle skills along the way. Even when leaving Goku realised something about vegeta since he was looking forward to have a friendly fight against vegeta once again in which Vegeta replies When we fight we need a whole planet126.96.36.199 20:05, August 28, 2012 (UTC) Gab. Vegeta held his own against Omega just as well as Goku... Goku who had just recieved a huge dose of Saiyan energy from his friends, and gone past his usual Supersaiyan 4 potential. on his way to planet namek Goku was just killing himself and devouring senzu beans. If you do, you may not be ready for the final battle and get taken out early. It could be assumed that his power was somewhere around equal to Goku's at this point in time (kind of hard to tell, as Goku began dealing with the heart virus). Mistshadow, Apr 23, 2017 #16. There is no sincerity in his motivation. Super Dragon Ball Heroes: Dark Demon Realm Mission! Fat Buu, who challenged Supersaiyan 3 Goku, and was beat up to the point of regeneration by Vegeta. Goku is actually stated to be stronger than Vegeta by Toppo. From all of the points mentioned above, we get a conclusion that Goku is stronger than Vegeta in terms of power boosts and transformations. During the Frieza saga, Vegeta was able to gain multiple Zenkais due to battles against Zarbon, Recoome etc. "Now this is a power you ought to be afraid of." The context is not talking about the current (DBZ) Gohan but a Gohan at his “maximum,” meaning, his best before the 7 year laziness… which was against perfect Cell. Vegeta was stronger than Goku in Dragon Ball Super season 1 physically without Goku using Kaioken x20 and Ultra Instinct Omen technique. It is unkown if his first form was actually stronger than Gohan, he did catch him by surprise, sorta. And let's not forget that later in this story arc, Goku himself establishes that the "dead" body (and Goku is dead at this time) has more endurance than a living one. Expectation would be that it would simply cause a drop in form; that that much power output would be needed to maintain the transformation. Vegeta says that the reason Goku continues to get stronger and break past his limits is because his motivation for training was greater. Vegeta is significantly stronger than Goku when they first meet. who got one-shotted by Toppo.Goku hyper focused on landing an attack, ultimately letting his guard down, while Toppo used this to his advantage to win. Vegeta was the one to aid Gohan in his final defeat of Cell. But by the end of the series they are equal from their base forms through Super Saiyan 2. Hence, I can conclude without a doubt based on this evidence that Vegeta isn't stronger than Beerus. This is a recurrent theme, and Vegeta always trains accordingly, despite the fact that blowing away a large portion of Cell, just as Vegeta already did, was all Goku could do to Perfect Cell. Remember that at the end of DBZ, Vegeta had wanted to fight Goku once again. He probably had a Zenkai from each of his near destructions. And if THAT, isn't enough, they imply that Trunks is stronger than his own father. Not sure if Super counts, but Vegeta definitely gets a significant rage power-up when Beerus slaps Bulma around. However, Vegeta not only failed to ascend to the next form, he made mistakes. Quid Errat Demonstratum. Majin Vegeta told a Super Saiyan 2 Goku that he was stronger than Gohan (Cell arc). Goku fans would argue that Goku is stronger because he has reached Super Saiyan 3 form which Vegeta didn't. While Vegeta achieved ssj1,2 by training as well as ssg, ssb. Vegeta has always been stronger than Goku, but only with them at the same level.On the Sayan saga, when they fought on their base form, Goku needed th When presented with a stronger opponent, the greater intellect of Vegeta simply has more capacity for doubt. And I am NOT easily impressed these days! Secondly, as has been said, he had the powerful Supersaiyan 3 transformation at his disposal, but there's another issue here, and that's Goku's energy problems. He overcalculated, and he second-guessed, deciding the form was worthless from the outset, whereas Trunks at least tried it against Cell. He's mastered his skills at all levels from the challenging the weakest to the strongest. Even at Kaioken x20, Goku could barely do anything to Frieza. Proper motivation is key. via: syfy.com. Due to this balance, we have enjoyed watching the rivalry between Goku and Vegeta … And he gains techniques on seeing them. However, even then, even with his pride working against him and his doubt eating away, Vegeta manages to hurt Perfect Cell very badly with a Final Flash. Since UI Goku >>>>> Uub. Vegeta has a masssive inferiority complex about ANYTHING that Goku does that might make him stronger, which is both a blessing and a curse. Goku clearly has surpassed Vegeta in strength more times than Vegeta surpassed Goku. So let's conjecture. A list can be provided, at every stage, of the aforementioned advantages Goku possessed in terms not of raw power, but special techniques very often learned from other races, or advantages in transformations. Eventually you realize that it is because Goku is the main character, and no other real reason. We use a [Watsonian point of view](http://fanlore.org/wiki/Watsonian_vs._Doylist), versus Doylist. Vegeta trains at least 100 times harder and more often than Goku so why can Vegeta never surpass him for long? Because the goddamn main character. Enjoy the videos and music you love, upload original content, and share it all with friends, family, and the world on YouTube. Could he have actually learned the form if he hadn't been dead? Vegeta was shitting his pants at the idea of having to fight him because he's obsessed with "the pecking order", but Goku was actually excited to, even if he lost, because it meant he still had places to go and new peaks to reach. Just because it's Raspberry. One thing to note, though, is that Vegeta was a transformation lower than Goku, and was more than a match for him. Why, Goku of course! That wasn't what happened in the Vegeta/Goku fight, proving that this was not an exponential increase. Kid Buu is simply too much of a hyperactive, attention-defecient maniac to toy with someone for that long. Given he has fought against opponents from many different schools, he's probably the most well rounded martial artist there is. Still, since both Goku and Vegeta have access to the same transformation, it should theoretically indicate who is stronger. The power Cooler gained from the Big Gete Star was unreal. Yet another case where Vegeta has a disadvatage not in raw powerlevel, but the ability to change into a higher transformation. One wonders why exactly that is when Gotenks didn't seem to have that particular issue. At the beginning of Dragon Ball Z, Goku and Piccolo are forced to team up against the former's biological brother, Raditz, and even as a unit they struggle to come out on top, with Goku giving his life to win the fight. Any other Buu, yes. As hard as Goku trains, however, he is far from the only Saiyan determined to constantly exceed his limits. Also, retard strength might play a role here. King Vegeta loved Vegeta more than anything, and vice-verca. The Kaioken technique allowed Goku to reach power that could rival Vegeta's. We know this because at no time did Vegeta ever approach anyone and ask to learn anything. The case can be made that Goku was in fact weaker. By forcing Vegeta into an enraged state, any chance Vegeta had of actually landing a blow evaporated. See, Vegeta is already better than Goku in a lot of ways. He does it all the time, testing new enemies and then finally going all out. We can see the big difference in their mindset when they met Beerus. Finally, at long last, Vegeta and Goku are in the same transformation! Such as being able to train in the Other World (twice) and access to the Gravity Machine before Vegeta. Goku just got ssj from his rage during battle, he had to train nonstop in heaven to get ssj2,3 and he just got SSG (and followingbthat blue) from a ritual. We all know he trained under the legendary Turtle Hermit Master Roshi, who at one point was known as "the god of martial arts." Other characters falter and fall because they plainly get beat up. Another serious question arises from the fact that Vegeta was so tentative with his intermediate Supersaiyan 2 form. Goku and Vegeta almost perished while fighting him. Goku’s base strength is so pitiful that it can’t even keep up with a Vegeta who’s just warming up, the Elite Saiyan forcing Goku to trigger Kaioken immediately or perish. Now, when each of them trained in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber for a day (a year) each, they both were able to reach Ascended Super Saiyan transformations. It should be noted that Vegeta did attempt to take on Frieza in his 4th Form. However, in this particular battle, Vegeta stays alive against what is certainly the full brunt of Buu's attacks. All things considered, Goku isn't stronger than Jiren yet and there are many reasons for that. In this video we are analyzing the reasons why Vegeta is Stronger than Goku currently. All that being said, we've yet to see the gains he made from his time in RoSaT. Goku has no such weakness. Vegeta fans would say that Vegeta surpassed Goku by achieving a new form, Super Saiyan Blue 2 when he pushed his limits and went beyond Super Saiyan. Wow! Despite their power levels indicating that Goku is stronger, albeit only slightly, there is more to it than this.Particularly in their stats, Vegeta and Goku are actually quite different. With the Perfect Cell Saga already underway, there are a few points to note. It was a personal thing, he was saying Goku is #1 as in he is superior to him and Vegeta is always a step behind and whenever Vegeta does get stronger Goku steps up to the plate and surpasses him again. Technique can bridge power gaps. So, there are many reasons why most people think that between Goku and Vegeta, Goku is the strongest. The thing about Goku is that even when Vegeta is stronger than Goku (and there are plenty of instances where this is the case) Goku is smarter. To reach their power levels, they need a mastery of ki energy above and beyond that of most races, something that Goku has learned over his years of training and fighting alongside them. A mastery of technique and an eye for battle mean Goku can overcome incredible differences. I believe it more had to do with control. The fishy part of the claim is that transformations of any kind don't appear to work that way. It is of great importance that Vegeta and Goku were evenly matched (as Supersaiyan 2s) when Vegeta was endowed with Majin ability from Babidi. They even do it to Vegeta's son. I'd argue Vegeta is stronger than Goku in SSJB, which would place him slightly above Frieza. If you watch resurrection of frieza arc they both were on same level but Vegeta didn't needed other saiyans power to gain god ki he did that on his own training with help of whis. Not until he achieved Supersaiyan. Currently, Vegeta should be stronger in the same form, and his SSBE is stronger than all of Goku's forms except MUI. As for the baby Cells each beating up a character (including Vegeta), that's easy. Like in the Cell Games where Vegeta has some serious development when Trunks is mortally wounded, and realizes that he's ignored his son and tries to avenge him and right his wrongs by unleashing everything on Cell. So yeah he definitely is ahead. So since Goku is simply better at this kind of fighting he always seems like he is considerably stronger, even when both vegeta and him take on the same ssj forms. He explicitly says "you were born with so much natural talent that no matter how much I trained, you were always a step above me" or something like that. 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